I think the communication problem between many posters on this thread and Old Guy is that Old Guy seems to think he gets to define all of the parameters of what's what. Since most of the posters to this thread don't seem to accept Old Guy's parameters, he thinks they haven't responded to his points or questions, when in fact, they have, only according to their own parameters (and definitions) of what's what.

Old Guy, I am not a Kerry supporter, but I find that I do not accept any of your basic premises as you've stated them here in this thread.