Kitty. I mentioned that on my last note on this thread. Singers should lip read the leader of the song and the leader can lead as is best for the company. There is nothing worse than a group of singers who after a few pints hear their own voices together and DRAG   THE   SONG. If a venue is crowded and you are at the other end of the room the lips are the conductor. Not those around you. Perhaps there should be a Get Songs Up To Speed Thread :>)