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Thread #74909   Message #1310602
Posted By: Rapparee
29-Oct-04 - 11:47 AM
Thread Name: BS: Can I get me a hunting licence here?
Subject: RE: BS: Can I get me a hunting licence here?
A little bit about New York City's "Sullivan Law":

In the late 19th century New York started trying to develop its own strong gun control act, but nothing passed with success. However in 1910 mayor William J. Gaynov was shot and seriously injured from a disgruntled former public employee, and in 1911 the popular novelist David Graham Philips was shot and killed on a New York City sidewalk. These two incidents plus statistics showing that gun homicides in New York had risen 50 percent from 1910-1911, created an outcry from the people of New York to create a new gun control legislation.

This law which is still in effect today, stood as a model for gun legislation for 50 years. The law required people to acquire a license to possess or carry a firearm small enough to conceal. The law also made it illegal for aliens to possess firearms in any public place. Which created controversy between many opponents of gun control, saying that not allowing aliens to posses a gun in a public place presented "ulterior motives", and "illegitimacy" of such measures. After this law was in place in 1912 the firearm suicide rate declined by 40 percent, however, gun related homicide rate increased. There was much debate if this law had any real effect on gun violence, however, some believe that without this law New York's gun violence would have been much higher then it is today.


I've read estimates that as many as 1 in 4 NYC residents are carrying a gun. And there isn't any way in the world you can convince me that folks in NYC are hunting anything other than each other.

I am NOT opposed to rational gun control. I own guns, and I shoot guns, and I've hunted and plan to do so in the future, and I have a state-issued permit to "carry concealed." In slightly over a year in Idaho, I know of only one person (other than cops) who overtly carries a weapon and THAT isn't concealed at all.

As far as my "carry permit" is concerned -- it's unused. I have it for a variety of reasons, one of which is to force myself to review gun safety procedures periodically. And yes, the guns and ammo are locked up (seperately).