Ake - having read Mr Bradbury's latest, I honestly don't think he's trying to promote 'thuggery'. I think he is struggling to express his p-o-v as naturally as he can, & I'll concede it is a fine line. How do you say that you don't like what the minority of the minority do, without appearing to be on the side of the minority of the majority? Cos someone with a point to prove will always try to twist your words...

My principal caveat, James, is that you have twice labelled the killing of Kriss Donald as racist. You have not offered any evidence as proof, nor has the article you linked to. Bare statement does *not* constitute proof (this is one of the things that I was getting at when I said "...rather more emotively..."). How do you differentiate between random thuggery, gang thuggery, & racist thuggery? And what are the deciding factors in this instance? If the best you can do is a media report, you have a very weak argument, I'm sorry.

B.Ign's post, for me, hits at least one nail plumb centre... So discuss!