what constitutes a bad post..

its when a post moves from discussing of debating ideas to making personal attacks. and i lump in gratuitous obscenity with that.

the other issue is control - challenges to Joe and Max seem to be from people, no matter what they say, who cannot fundamentally accept that someone else has the right to manage this place, to have "control" over them. if 95%, or even 30% of catters were complaining about Joe and Max, there would be a problem.

the fact that only one or two people are complaining suggest the problem lies with them.

in children this is referred to as oppositional defiant disorder.

but these children often grow up.