Grab, as a typical whiner, you just have to have an answer for everything.

I'm afraid so. There's this thing we liberals have called "debate" where we present our beliefs, back them with facts (see point 2), and use facts to refute the other person's argument. I'm very sorry that I threw your list back at you with interest and you were unable to come up with an adequate response - I hadn't realised that your beliefs were so threadbare and indefensible that even you couldn't justify them. I should have followed Mark Twain's advice: "Never have a battle of wits with an unarmed man."

Piers, I should have used the word "technically" when calling the British government "socialist". Point was that you can be centre-right politically and still have the word "socialist" on your party literature.