I don't know about that, kat. Just because someone started a thread to annoy other people doesn't mean there isn't someone out there who needs to hear/read this. Are we going to be suspicious of every thread? They're cutting off their nose to spite their face, if that's the case. Anyway, I find this thread interesting, as I have raised kittens this way. To give a Doug Adams metaphor about a means of navigation when lost: I follow a car that looks like it knows where it's going. I rarely end up where I want to be, but always where I need to be.