Graham I think we Brits use the term crawl because that's how we usually end up.. crawling.. The reason for this being and I know Mary will forgive me as she'll forgive me almost anything.. the beer here is a lot stronger than the otherpondsiders are used to. On a totaly different but closely related subject, a ew months back when I was first "introduced" to Cockersdale and their music.. i.e. a friend of mine added some material on a tape he did for me.. yes boot leg if you like.. I was enthralled.. enough to go surfing to try and find out more about the group. I only managed to find one site which was a kind of mini-bio of various English folk groups.. the most salient point re the "entry" re Cockersdale was that Keith and forgive me because I'm terrible at remembering names.. Mary will vouchsafe for this... hence lack of surname.. has been taken from us And having read various posts as of late, I get the impression that you are one of the surviving members of Cockersdale.. now I apologise if I'm wrong in this assumption.. but if I'm correct then I'm only too keen to hold long and lengthy email conversations with you.. (providing you are willing of course)..(Mary it won't affect our our conversations).. so Graham because you may not want to give out your email address here.. can I prevail upon your generosity by contacting me at this address.. mick@prof.co.uk Many thanks Mick