Point taken, Doug, with regard to mentioning my experiences. I won't bother to respond to the stuff you said to troll, but I do bring it up when I think it merits it. When I hear these chicken hawks run their yaps about patriotism, it bothers me. The thought of someone who ducked their duty (read that "I had other things to do" Cheney, and "I can't be bothered with showing up for my drill obligation" Bush) sending young people to combat just bothers the hell out of me. And when a guy like Martin admits to the hypocrisy of his position, albeit you have to look through a number of threads to find it, I just like to point it out. Seems to me that when one indicates the pleasure they get out of making people dance, a dose of their own salts is called for.

Most of the terrorism you are seeing, Doug, is because of Bush. The latest figures show that there are more insurgents now than ever. One conservative commentator today indicated that we are looking at 4 to 6 more years, and then wasn't sure we could leave in any positive way. Another indicated that the "let the fires of freedom burn" rhetoric was designed to get the attention off the lack of WMD's, and the lies used to get us into this mess.

By the way, Doug, I am perfectly willing to let time figure who is "right" between us. But folks are already coming to the realization. Let's see how your man does with the public, and even you, when he cuts Medicaid and continues to spend incredible dollars to prosecute his little adventure. Yeah, I think I will just let time demonstrate who is right.

Mick