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Thread #78748   Message #1420588
Posted By: Azizi
25-Feb-05 - 08:43 AM
Thread Name: Padstow Darkie Days
Subject: RE: Padstow Darkie Days
El Greko,
It is true that I have no direct knowledge of any culture but that of some parts of the USA.

Yet,isn't the Internet and, in particular international discussion sites like this one wonderfully rich way of learning about other cultures-from people who have lived and are living those cultures?

You said:
"While there was contact with Africa [in Greece] from the ancient times, there had never been a sufficient number of Africans living there to give rise to racism."

One way I could interprete this sentence-though I don't know that you meant it this way-is that a 'sufficient' or large number of Africans can or will [usually?? ; always??] give rise to racism or negative color valuations.

Instead, I would rather praise the ancient Greeks for not having any color prejudice because they recognized that such feelings were silly or ignorant and/or because they recognized the Humanity and the merits of Africans who they had met or heard of, and/or because of their recognition of the rich heritage that that Greek culture had received from African culture.

By African culture I specifically am referring to Egypt...After all "Egypt" IS in Africa, and many Egyptians in those ancient days were not as light brown skinned or fair skinned as they are now-and at one time Egypt was ruled by Sudanese-the name 'Sudan' meaning
'the land of the blacks'..

I would add the names of two other books on ancient Greece and Africa to the book that I suggested in my earlier post:

Frank M. Snowden, Jr "Before Color Prejudice" Harvard University Press, 1983

and

Ivan Van Sertima "African Presence In Early Europe" Transaction Pubishers 1988

For example of the African influence on early Greek culture, as a result of the 18th century & onward's white-washing of history, few people know about or accept etymological and other evidence of the Egyptian influence on the names and attributes of Greek gods and goddess.

See this excerpt from the Van Sertima book that I listed above:

"In the case of divine names [for Greek gods] Herodotos specifically stated "The names of nearly all the gods came to Greece from Egypt. {"Histories, II:49}. This statement was never challenged in Antiquity. It must further be emphasized that the only Greek divine names with plausible Indo-European names are Hestia and Zeus and even the later name has some phonetic problems.

In his book II Herodotos gives detals of many cultic parallels between the Greek and Egyptian religious systems and explicity reasons that as they [the religous systems]were far older in Egyp,
that must be their place of origin {II-49}. It is interesting to note that at the University of Oxford all books on Herodotos are required reading except for Book II. The situation is not so clear cut at Cambridge but there too Book II is omitted with some others".

end of quote..

I write these posts not for argument but for the sake of discussion..In doing so I readily acknowledge that I have merely read quite a number of books on the subject.

And -as I said before- I admit that have no direct knowledge of any cultures other than specific USA/American cultures.

However,I believe that arm chair students can contribute something worth while to discussions such as these.

Don't you agree?