Palestinian suzereignity. They don't want to live under it trust me.

Please provide some documentation for this assertion.

By your own logic East Jerusalem shouldn't be part of a Palestiunian state.

How so? Please see the following part of my 27 Mar 05 - 04:02 PM post.

"Ending the occupation would be a good start. Allowing international observers into the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem to help with the handover of power would also help."

Never mind it's an idiocy in practical terms.

I thought we were going to have a civil discussion.

The civil infrastructure was not destroyed by Sharon's government that's pure moonshine.

It was indeed destroyed by the government of Israel under Sharon. Blown to smithereens along with quite a few Palestinian civilians, I might add.

They received millions, the PLO pocketed it and let everything go to pot.

This is pure moonshine.

Requiring the legitimate leaders to stop the violence against Israelis should be the first step.

The first step should be to end the illegal occupation. And the next step should be for the government of Israel to stop the violence against Palestinians. When this is done, the majority of Palestinians will no longer see themselves as having a need to commit violence against Israelis, and most Palestinians will support any moderate leaders in their efforts to eliminate the violence committed by extremist Palestinian groups. The reason they will do this will be because they will have a country of their own to protect against violent extremists. As things are right now, they have nothing.

Most of the occupation comes from security considerations.

This is not true. Even some former members of Shin Bet (sp?) and the IDF maintain that not only does the occupation not help Israeli security, but that it severely compromises Israeli security.

Israel is having it's own financial difficulties you expect us to subsidize them? Isn't collecting their taxes enough?

We are having our own financial difficulties here in the US, too. Many millions of us don't have any access to any medical care at all. And yet we send you billions of dollars every year of our hard earned tax money so you can blow up Palestinians. You can take some of that money and give it to the ones who are left.

You know it doesn't matter how Native Americans conduct their businesses but if they take over from the US Gvt they will inherit the structure and things will go on like they do today.

This is just as I have figured it. Except that I don't think the American Indians would be anywhere near as tempted by the idea of global domination that drives the people we have in power here in the US today.