As a newcomer who hasn't seen any of this happening yet, but who has read this thread with interest and despair, may I quote the WW I cartoon caption "If you knows of a better 'ole, then go to it!" And add to that, "If you can't find a better 'ole, then dig one yourself". I would have thought that the Ideal Forum would only exist in the mind of the person who thought up the ideal, as once others started posting to it it would cease to be ideal as they would have different ideas. Although I suppose that in certain areas, such as possibly synchronised swimming, there would be not too much divergence of opinion or room for original thought. (OK, I can't see the point of synchronised swimming, just as I can't understand the rules of, or point of, bridge.) There's room for many opinions here. MudCat isn't North Korea or the Vatican where opinion comes down from the top. Be nice.....