paddymac I did finish with I stand to be corrected. I sincerely hope from the bottom of my heart that I am wrong in my view. My family still live there. But, and theres always a but, I can't see any peace pilgrimages from the Shankill to Andy town or the residents of Ardoyne rushing out to embrace those from the Sandy Row. Defeatist maybe, realist definately. These communities have been divided for too long. This hatred, ignorance, lack of trust (pick one or two) may be stupid to those looking in from the outside but it is a way of life in NI. Its part of the fabric and it will not change in my lifetime if I live to be an old man and again I hope I'm wrong. The one thing I am grateful for is that the bombing and shooting has stopped. You can now do your Christmas shopping in the city centre without fear and then repair to Robinsons for a drink before getting your black hack back home. Just be careful which part of town you get in your taxi and be double sure which community the taxi serves. I don't want to get into a slagging match with you paddymac. I respect your oppinion too much but I'm not talking out of my hat here either. Den