This thread has so many ups and downs in it, I don't know what I think any more. I'm too broke to enjoy it being Christmas, since I just blew off a whole fall's work via an arm injury. (Now I'm working again, ironically, so I don't have time to make presents! I'll pay a couple of bills this week, but my daughter sure isn't going to get her camcorder...I don't know what bothers me more, that they won't be getting fancy presents or that they know not to ask...)

And at the risk of offending all my Christian friends here, Jesus is not "the reason for the season", not for me and not for most of the world. The season doesn't need a reason. You can celebrate whatever you like, but it's sure interesting that so many different faiths and belief systems place significance on this time of year.

Good will among all folk would be a good place to start, I guess. Price is right too.

Bill C