I thought Natural Born Killers was pretty amazing...and, yes, VERY satirical. That's what made it so good. (and I normally have no interest in movies with that kind of subject matter...meaning, extreme violence). I loved it.

I agree that Independence Day and Godzilla by the same people ought to both get on the 10 worst movies of all time list!

I liked "Road to Perdition" fairly well. I give it a 7.5, I guess.

The Billy Jack movies....ah, y' had to be there at the time to appreciate them. If you were a member of the embattled generation (as we saw ourselves), then you kind of liked them...at the time...but, by God, 10 years later you realized just how AWFULLY BAD they actually were! LOL! When I was staying at Rolling Thunder's camp there was a truck there that Tom Laughlin had donated to the camp, and it had the Billy Jack hat painted on the doors. Good truck, I'd have to say. We used it to haul lots of stuff. Rolling Thunder and his son Buffalo Horse got bit parts in the 2nd or 3rd film..."The Trial of Billy Jack". It was an excruciatingly bad movie.

The concept of people who are in favour of peace and nonviolence having a hero who beats the shit out of all the "bad guys" and seeks out remorseless and deadly revenge upon the worst of them is really one that seriously misses the moral point, in my opinion.

But, hey, it makes for good box office, right? In an unenlightened society, nothing sells like violent revenge stories...