Shambles, get off the high horse. You accuse people of personal attacks, when this whole crusade of yours is just one huge personal attack on Joe and the admin weenies you know about. If you knew about others, their postings as members wouldn't be safe. You accuse others of name calling, but wasn't you who started with the 'witchfinder general' bullshit?

Or, the short version: Stalking someone is much more of a personal attack that calling somebody 'asshole' and walking away.

Mick, I know you get involved because you think people might not see through the tactics and the crap. While there are a very few who won't clue into what's really going on, for the most part, people are NOT that stupid. Many of the smarter folks aren't reading this thread, or at least not commenting. Others just have a twisted sense of humor and this is entertaining. If you think you're pointing out the idiocy of all this to innocents, any newby probably tried to figure out Shambles' unsuccessful attempt at selling new 'buzz-words' and phrases was for and wandered off, probably trying to figure out if he was aware how he was coming accross (or not) to others and whether he did it on purpose or accidentally.

Or, the short version: People aren't that stupid.

I have a problem with calling Shambles an 'asshole'. It's not specific enough. I also don't know him personally. He may be an asshole, but it's not beyond the realm of possibility that he may also love and be loved, enjoy music as much as the rest of us, and feed the birds in the winter. He just acts like an asshole sometimes. We all do, although most of us aren't quite so consistent or globally public about demonstrating this quality.

Long version: I don't think I'd ever call Roger an asshole. I think I'd say he behaved like a control freak who had no control, and in his impotence was spiteful to those who he believed did. I'd say he's taken on a few qualities of a stalker. I'd say he's betrayed people who once respected him and thought of him as a friend. I'd say his constant pointless battles and chronic failures here have almost nothing to do with change and everything to do with his ego. I wouldn't all him an asshole, though. It's personal abuse and name calling.

And should anyone seriously wonder: my personal opinions about people have nothing to do with my administrative job here. That's one of the reasons why I'm doing it.