>>"I'd love to have a go on a Avalon 12 string they are supposed to exist but where (see Avalon thread)"

Ooooh. Avalonnnn. I've never lain hands on one, but having read both maker info and reviews, and just looking at them- they are to me now what Taylor was to me ten years ago- an unattainable dream. Then again, the recent fire and subsequent kind generosities put me in reach of a Taylor, and playing those (A Taylor baby, a Big Baby, and a cutaway of unknown model,) and then the Dean Exotica Dao, and completely against my own Taylor biases, I went for the Dean. So some day, I might just handle a Taylor and an Avalon, and buy the Taylor... ~sigh~ What a heavenly dillema that would be!