My take on all of this - not that anyone asked - is that Shambles is offended by thread drift whenever it shows up in his threads. It's tough to admit that we can't control a thread after it's been opened. It's almost as if a levee has broken. That's a real problem. Thread drift is not.

Thread drift is a joy because it is a natural process - what is very well evidenced here in this thread - is not that natural process. Rather than certain posters accepting that our forum is open for anyone to post any view and open for anyone to equally ignore any view - a concious attempt is mounted by certain posters and eagerly if sadly followed by others - to control the postings of others - rather than to respond or to ignore them.

It has never mattered on our forum how well a view is expressed, spelt or grammatically constructed. Our forum's joy was that an equal welcome was given to all contributors and what was being said was thought more important that who was saying it or how they may have struggled to say it. Posting to laugh at and mock these attempts - were not usually encouraged - perhaps wisely?      

Time perhaps for a re-think and perhaps also a little logic?

Changes are now imposed upon thread titles - (well they are upon mine) - only it is claimed - to make the subject of the thread 'clear' to our forum's readers.

Now if - having opened a thread for example called. 'Opening threads - a debate' - you then intentionally post - for whatever reason - not to contribute to the debate, answer a question or propose a solution - but to talk about any other subject - this will result in the thread's title not being representitive of its contents. There is a danger then of it being judged as unclear and could possibly result a new title being imposed by our anonymous volunteer fellow posters.

So perhaps if certain posters insist on posting to this thread only to talk about grammar, have conversations with each other about other fellow posters or post anything other than the subject of this thread - perhaps it would be better for them to start another thread - titled to clearly show our forum's readers what the subject of this new thread was?

It could very well be that no one does wish to post to this thread to debate the subject - if so - without all of these other posts refreshing this thread - perhaps it will die a natural death? Otherwise it looks set to become yet another 1000 post thread.