Bobert,

I would assume that you won't simply take my word for it, but relative to either side's use of such "tactics" to "frame an arguement" I, and many others of us from the right side of things, feel exactly about the "progressive's" tactics as you do about the right's. Exactly.

When you say:

"Hey, the progressives know when they have been "out-framed" on an issue, even when we know in our hearts that we hold the correct position but we regroup and try another way to make our point...

Alot of Bushites here don't... They just hit the blue clicky thing that really has nuthin' to do with the discussion.. It is diversionary..."

...that's exactly how I feel -- just the game uniforms are reversed. Oh, and I don't use a word that corresponds to "bushite" to refer to "progressives".