Yeah, Shambles, it's a lot about winnin' or loosin' battles... Battles don't have to be physical... Many of us battline mightilly in the lead up to the Bush invasion of Iraq to frame the issues differently than the Bush war PR machine waas doing... We lost the battle though, as time has shown we were a lot more correct in out thinking that Bush and his gang was with theirs...

It what way was anything really lost - on our forum when all that can be posted here are our views. The ammount of postings - one way or the other - is no real indicator of how the majority of our forum's readers may see things.

It is also unlikely that any point of view expressed here or evidenced by some supporting information will result in a change of view of anyone who has a set position. It may well be possible - with a well-made argument - to influence others who do not have a set position. Unless they post and say so - it is unlikely that you would know.   

But no issue is going to be won or lost here - so there should be no fear that any form posting is going to unfairly influence any final result - as there will never be one.

If each side show equal respect to each other's views - even when violently disagreeing with them - our forum should be better informed as a result of such a reasoned debate. If these can steer away from the temptation of posts that only make personal judgements of aspects of postings and posters that we may not agree with - everyone on our forum should be the winners.