"This is posted in the hope of a reasoned debate."

There have been many, many attempts at a reasoned debate in between the sarcasm and jokes, but I get the feeling that Shambles will never feel that there IS a reasonable debate until and unless everyone up to & including Max agrees with him....(or at least surrenders!).

It just goes on and on and on. Joe has explained it, many others have agreed with Joe and have tried everything from pleading to sarcasm to reason to ignoring to .........well, other things.

It is, simply, hopeless. It is a case of "I want it MY way and no amount of explaining the 'management rules and procedures' will convince me why I can't have it my way."

It is a case of subjective 'righteous indignation' run amok, and unlike the PELS issue, where there was an obvious infringement on freedoms, and MANY sympathetic ears, this crusade seems to have almost no fellow crusaders.....Yet it goes & goes & goes with relentless, tedious hair-splitting over who said what and claimed which and did what to whom.....and whether any of it really mattered.

I'll swear, if Samuel Beckett were still writing, he could do a tour de force sequel to "Waiting for Godót" with the material from all these threads.