Sham, the 'debate' IS being held here. It's you arguing against whatever happens you don't like and for nothing and other people arguing back that you're annoying them. I don't have any problem with it, and I won't unless you start multiple threads on the same thing.

I really DO think you should be given your own permathread so you and your pals can carry this on forever. Those of us who don't want to read it can easily filter one thread out, and you're guaranteed it will never close and you won't feel forced to apply your agenda in other places (but you will).

I don't have anything against honest debate. I just don't believe you're honest and I don't believe one guy standing on a soapbox dodging rotten tomatoes contitutes a debate. There are people out there who like weirder stuff than this though.