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Thread #84952   Message #1577469
Posted By: GUEST,beachcomber
06-Oct-05 - 05:33 PM
Thread Name: BS: I.R.A. Decommissioning
Subject: RE: BS: I.R.A. Decommissioning
Teribus,
I don't believe that you could even conceive of a British soldier killing a civilian deliberately, could you?
If you are arguing that the bombings you mention "Guernica, Warsaw et al" were justification for British forces to do their worst to Dresden, Berlin even Balbriggan and Cork, and many other places, then I will argue no longer. What would be the point?
Terrorising people , civilians in the main, was something that British invaders taught to the world, that tactic certainly was not invented by the IRA or PIRA.
That "drinks- on- me-boyoes" trick was one of Collins' right enough, maybe we did invent that one !
Why wasn't the Irish Woollens Industry, for instance,fostered under British Rule? Because it might have interfered with the British one.
Of course Harland & Wolfe were not supressed, how ridiculous that would have been, it was in the "right" place and at the "right" time to "demonstrate" the benefits of the Union.
Yes Verholme Shipyard did close many years ago but due to worldwide slump in shipbuilding generally. Where are all the massive British Shipyards now ? even H & W could hardly be said to be in perfect health anymore.
Our people were exploited , that is beyond question.
You, and people who think like you, will never be able to understand why, back in those Victorian times, people did not want to be ruled by a foreign government. It was you who made ONE of this island for us, you who united us against your rule , including the very people who had been sent here by you to do your dirty work, because of the discriminatory laws you tried to enforce, it was you then also who divided us, with your cunning and your patronage of the minority to give them a feeling of being the chosen ones. You convinced them that they would fare better by throwing in with Britain. In the final analysis , did they? Are they any better off now ?.Our country could , as easily, have reached the same economic and social standard without your interference.
Contrary to your assertion that Ireland had been "ruled and conquered for as long as recorded history..." this country has never been fully conquered. That is the root cause of our argument.Though often invaded,it never was, because, in every time, there was always some few who refused to accept domination by force of arms, and were able to steel others to join them in rebellion, and, there always will be.
The British , many times, thought that they had conquered us, but, as you must admit now, it was all self- delusion. A state in which, even though you do not seem to realise, you are still wallowing.
There is no "Pax Brtiania", never was.