Thanks, Little Hawk. Both you and Don Firth write much better than I do but I still reserve the right to ply my points.

The Oregon vote stands as a 'one issue' ballot measure: "Do you want socialized medicine or do you not". The voters said "not". They said so by a huge 5 to 1 margin. Why can't the Socialists just move on (or butt-out) and let the people have their wishes respected?

Again, it was not a referendum on 'liberalism' or 'conservatism' or any other '-ism'. It was "do you want socialized medicine in the State of Oregon". Even if you contend that voting is not accurate, the margin was ovewhelming.

Also, I consider the tug-of-war going on right now in the US , Canada, and other Western countries as "Left-Right" not'Liberal' v conservative".

If the US has 17% of the population 'exposed' as far as health coverage, address the problem there. Do not f**k things up for the othe 83% who are doing just fine under our present system.