Dear Bert,

Like the conceptual neatness and lack of pejorative implication in your definitions. This allows for "fine" examples of craft and "humble" or "primitive" examples of art, as well as the reverse. There will still be many items, however, that deserve inclusion in both categories. For example, a vase, ideally, has both functional and ornamental properties.

Dear Will and Bill,

Didn't intend to deny the importance of semantic exactitude, merely to encourage lots of contributions to this thread by including the entire range of art/craft in the discussion. Bill, you quite properly suppose that we were after a broad, even incongruously broad, selection of songs on this topic. (BTW, if we hadn't added the word "craft," would we have struck gold with your contribution of "The Woodturner's Love Song"?)

Dear All,

Hope this thread won't bog down on definitions. There are few enough of these songs that there should be room for all here! (And in the words of our venerable benefactor: "We don' need no steenking subdatabases!") -- Maybe we could get back to posting examples now, (she suggested, artfully/craftily)?

Shula