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Thread #85850   Message #1600822
Posted By: CarolC
09-Nov-05 - 02:21 PM
Thread Name: BS: Muslim Violence
Subject: RE: BS: Muslim Violence
Carol, it is in a way interesting to read this piece of propaganda.

Propaganda? It's the personal diary of one of the leading figures of the Israeli government during the early days of the State of Israel. To call it propaganda makes no sense whatever.

But you can't seriously mean that would be a response to the points in the second paragraph of my 09 Nov 05 - 07:41 AM post. I have made two points:

(1) Israel was fighting against military forces of four Arab countries (and not two as you had stated)

(2) The order of events was a bit more complicated than your formulation makes it look. Yes, Israel attacked first. Yes, Israel found itself in war with four Arab countries. But Israel did not attack first all four Arab countries.


You can't have read the whole thing at all. According to the personal diary of Moshe Sharett (including quotes from many other prominent figures in the history of that time in Israel), Israel had formulated its plans to conquer Gaza, the West Bank, the southern part of Lebanon, Golan and other parts of Syria, way back in the 1950s - long before 1967. It also contains direct quotes from Sharett, as well as other prominent Israeli leaders stating that none of Israel's actions in 1967 as well as before and after that time were because it perceived a threat from any Arab governments, in fact, quite the opposite... it wanted war very badly with these countries because it knew very well that it would win any wars with them, and that its sole purpose in waging the various wars that it instigated from the 1940s to the 1960s were specifically for the purpose of increasing the size of its territory, poisoning relations between Western powers and Arab countries, and for the purpose of solidifying Israeli hegemony in the Middle East.

These are the words of the people who were carrying out these plans. These are their stated, intentions in their own words. These were compiled and put into a readable context by the daughter of one of the people involved, Israel Rokach, Minister of the Interior in the government of Moshe Sharett, who was the second prime minister of Israel. Moshe Sharett's diary gives a running commentary on the events as they were unfolding at the time, and it was not written for publication... it was his private diary.

(1) They even don't get the number of Arab countries involved in that war correct though their number is a 50% improvement upon your 03 Nov 05 - 10:35 AM post.
(2) I have tried to find the part where they describe how the war started and in all parts I have found they just stated in very general terms that Israel has attacked three Arab countries or use very unclear formulations. They make the same very unspecific formulations as you do. So that's not relevant to my point that the order of events was a bit more complicated.


I suggest you go back and read it again (the whole thing, this time).