It seems to me that the anti Bush faction wants America to loose.

What I (allegedly) want is of no importance here. The plain fact is that the U.S. is going to "lose" (in the sense that what comes out, even in best case scenarios, is hardly going to be to our liking). And this was apparent to some (including even folks in the U.S. State Department) prior to the war. Nothing to be done now but to control the damage. Iraq will be (as it wasn't before) an Islamic Republic, with or without our consent and support: a definite down-turn. There will be civil strife, guerrilla activity, and a power struggle for decades on end: certainly no improvement, and in some ways perhaps a fair bit for the worse (if you don't believe me, just read up a bit on Afghanistan in the 20th century). Islamic radicalism will be fueled and assisted by the U.S. actions, regardless of the Iraqi outcome. Those really are the facts, and no reasonably rational person nowadays will deny this, even as the Dubya sycophants try to paper it over with hollow cries of "They have a constitution, they have a CONSTITUTION!" as if that makes things the least bit different....

Sad but true. It's a f***-up of colossal proportions. And even sadder for those who gave their lives and for their families.

Cheers,