I truly feel the kinds of things mentioned are "insolvable" without some implied "leader" setting down a number of "dos and don'ts", but a simple "oops sorry about that", counts for a lot. We all get frustrated at times, but at least we're not marooned on a desert island, a la "Goldman's "lord Of The Flies"! Now that would be something with the amazing cast of characters we have here at Mudcat! I look awful in "warpaint"!Rick