Teribus writes.
"Amos, yourself, Bobert and all the other Saddam Apologists on this site"
A typically arrogant and false "fact".
In the years that I have been reading and contributing to these threads, I have never seen anyone of any political persuasion support or apologise for the Saddam regime.
As most of the anti war people here could be characterised as "on the left", I think that most folks would see Teribus himself, with his militaristic views, as closer in spirit to Saddam than anyone on this forum.

As little hawk says all the arguments about resolutions are a load of garbage.
Right or wrong, and no matter how Teribus and Bruce squirm, the world now perceives Iraq to have been a serious mistake.
This is what is important, the World now sees the lie of western "democracy". The world now understands that the West has an agenda, and is prepared to kill in large numbers to attain that agenda.

What troubles Teribus and Bruce is that the coalition in Iraq have lost the battle for "hearts and minds", not only in Iraq but worldwide.

They can bumble on about resolutions and Iraqi history till they're blue in the face and all the rest of us die of boredom, but even the American and British govts know they have lost the trust of the people who elected them and the game is over.

They are attempting to turn control of Iraq over to the Shia, who are forging stronger and stronger links with Iran...Does that sound like a more stable ,more democratic country...not to me it dosen't.

The truth is that any supposed objectives that have been achieved in Iraq, like the "free" elections and much praised constitution have simply facilitated the birth of an Islamic Republic, something I and others here have warned of since before the war began.

Teribus and Bruce are more concerned with winning obscure debating points than in trying to understand what is really happening in Iraq.    I think they have much in common with Bush and Blair..Ake