Thanks for your post Boab, it looks as though we must just agree to disagree. I still believe that there's lots to debate, and whenever others cite incorrect information, or mere unsubstantiated supposition that can be disproved by fact or by reason I shall. It would be useful if correct quotations of what key figures actually said, as opposed to what some people thought they said, or what they thought they meant.

Whereas Clinton supported a policy of containment, post 9/11, GWB did not have that option.

"The slaughter of civilians didn't start with the illegal invasion;it had been going on for ten years, both by sanctions and by bombing."

And you accuse me of being selective!!! The slaughter of civilians in Iraq had been going on for a damn sight longer than that Boab (At the rate of 154 or 282 per day since 1978 depending on what figures you use). The main difference between you and me Boab

Being opposed to intervention in both Iraq and Kosovo, indicates that the main difference between you and me Boab is that while you a fully prepared to sit back and witness the slaughter of innocents, I am prepared to back those who will take necessary action when required.