FolkieDave I must put you right on this.

'The original campsite - down by the Leisure Centre (Sands) was developed by Kirklees and precluded the festival from using it. Go and look.'

The original campsite 'development' at Sands is a skate board area, shelter and I forgot earlier to mention the basketball/5-a-side court. It in no way affects what was the camping area. I know I go there every day. It is on the road side of the river and totally uncontrollable by stewards. I can see the sense of moving to get a more easily securable site but that is not the reason that it moved.

You suggest to Raggytash that it was a bit far out - not as far as the replacement but that isn't necessarily a bad thing. 'but since it was partly built upon by the owners' - the owners are Kirklees and as I've already said the building doesn't affect the camping ground.

I would like to suggest that as Holmfirth is set in a valley there is a serious lack of flat and therefore suitable spaces for camping so any festival has to work within those limitations.