Interesting post, patmc. You may be right about "just plain old fashioned survival" rather than the American way of life being what is at stake.

Well, we'll see. If we live long enough to. I feel rather sad for the young people nowadays, being born into this deteriorating situation.

I regard this life as a temporary dream. It's not worth killing people over in order to lengthen it. My soul does not need more blood on its record at this point, nor does anyone else's. Gandhi died without killing anyone. So did Jesus. So did Buddha. They were wise.