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Thread #86819   Message #1620342
Posted By: Folkiedave
05-Dec-05 - 09:01 AM
Thread Name: Sheffield Carols 2005
Subject: RE: Sheffield Carols 2005
To MC FAT:

I can also see where Roger is coming from. But there is no reason to expect swot squads if the boxes have been ticked - like apparently at the Royal, Palm, Hillborough Hotel, Kelham Island Tavern, Fagan's etc. And incidentally the Walkley Cottage.

Now when the Cottage applied for a licence under the old rules he was asked for £13,000 worth of improvements. This time he got it with no problems. That indicates to me that so far, notwithstanding past trouble, at the Palm for example, the local authority are being as sensible as local authorities are ever likely to be.

Let me offer an analogy. A town centre pub which people in Sheffield know well, let's call it the Maison Rouge - served after time in a regular basis and night after night. It was obvious the police turned a blind eye to this. We were lucky because there were few residents around and it was slightly off the beaten track. You and I both know that music went on long into the night, I think the latest I ever left there was about 2.45 am and that was by no means a record.

Now following the logic of what Roger is suggesting here - we should have told the local licensing people that they were wrong in allowing this to happen, and that since they had allowed it, all other pubs in England and Wales should be allowed to do the same.

I am troubled that a unique case should be looked as an opportunity to to set a nation-wide precedent and that on top of that we are trying to second-guess the attitude of the local authority.

IMHO it will end in tears if we go down that road.