Teribus---

Well,well, you've set a trap fro yourself and obligingly fallen right in it. Well done.


Re: 8 Sept 2002

Teribus: 6 Dec 2005 2:38 AM (do you ever get any sleep?)--"You have been given a quote from the Vice President dated 8th September 2002"

Fine--let's look at that quote--given to us by Teribus on 3 Dec 2005 7:18 AM

Hi Ron

Example 1--One Quote as requested--Dick Cheney. From the Sept 8 Meet the Press.

Russert: "One year ago when you were on Meet the Press just five days after September 11, I asked you a specific question about Iraq and Saddam Hussein. Let's watch"

Russert on the Sept 16, 2001-----(NB Sept 16, 2001--2001-do you get it?)

"Do we have any evidence linking Saddam Hussein or Iraqis to this operation?"

Cheney: No."

Now I know this will require careful reading on your part, Teribus--something you're not famous for--I don't want to strain your poor brain--but exactly what have you quoted from 2002 that Cheney said?

I'll clue you--precisely nothing, nada, zilch.

YOUR CHENEY QUOTE IS FROM 2001, NOT 2002.

Therefore it does not fit the time period of the propaganda campaign--mid 2002 to March 2003. That is when Bush and co were beating the drums to attack Iraq.

In fact, I have already pointed this out in my 3 Dec 2005 8:33 AM posting, which you choose to ignore.

Russert and Cheney watched a CLIP from 2001. You quote nothing Cheney said from 2002. Is it getting through to you?

You have therefore still not produced one quote from the mid-2002 to March 2003 period when the propaganda campaign was going on to link Saddam to al Queda and September 11, 2001.

However, I did a bit of digging myself. I said a few days ago that it was likely Cheney's stance would have shifted from 2001 to 2002--and I was right.

I found the transcript of the 8 Sept 2002 Meet the Press. For some inexplicable reason you left out everything that was said AFTER WATCHING THE CLIP FROM 2001.

In fact, this is what was said directly afterward--maybe somebody could set up a "blue clicky".

You're more than welcome to ignore it again. I will just rub your face in it til you see it.

Now, did Cheney reiterate a clear statement that there was no evidence linking Saddam and 11 Sept 2001?


Here's the transcript:

Mr. Russert: "Has anything happened to change your mind? (since 2001)

Vice President Cheney: "Well, I want to be very careful about how I say this. I'm not here today to make a specific allegation that Iraq was somehow responsible for 9-11. I can't say that.

On the other hand, since we did that interview new information has come to light. And we spent time looking at that relationship between Iraq on the one hand and the al-Queda organization on the other. And there has been reporting that suggests that there have been a number of contacts over the years. We've seen, in connection with the hijackers, of course, Mohammed Atta, who was the lead hijacker, did apparently travel to Prague on a number of occasions. And on at least one occasion we have reporting that places him in Prague with a senior Iraqi intelligence official a few months before the attack on the World Trade Center..."

That's what he said in 2002--not what you allege.   He raised all sorts of possible connections between Iraq and Sept 11.

You are dead wrong again, I'm sorry to say.

Feel free to check the transcript of the 8 Sept 2002 Meet the Press.

Upshot is: you still have no quote from the period mid 2002 to March 2003 in which Bush or one of his minions clearly disassociates Saddam and 11 Sept 2001---and we have plenty that indicate they did try to associate the two---INCLUDING your 8 Sept 2002 Meet the Press.

Perhaps you also don't undertstand how propaganda works.

You need to read some history. I can recommend a few starter books for you.

Propaganda does not always need a blatant statement. Just "Before September 11, many in the world believed Saddam Hussein could be contained" is more than enough for a lot of Americans both jittery and angry enough to strike back--at anybody.

Even after the US attack on the Taliban--which I supported-- the Toby Keith-brand desire for vengeance was not slaked. Nor was the the fear of another 11 Sept.

Bush and co played on that fear like true Goebbels star pupils.


Teribus--much as it pains me to say it, you've blown it yet again.

The propaganda campaign linking Saddam with 11 Sept 2001 is a fact, not a theory.

You have no counter-evidence.

The more you deny it, the harder it will be on your ego to finally admit it.


As I said earlier, you should have picked out a more sea-worthy vessel before lashing yourself to the mast.