I can't help thinking you should publish a manifesto, Martin.

Sort of a fair warning anouncement. If one enters into discourse with me you are going to have the following buttons pushed.

I suppose some daft sods take it all seriously. I don't know though. the thing is that gay people do still encounter a lot of predjudice over here in England. One gay couple, we know, they had been together as long as me and my wife(had to count - 36 years). One of them died recently and the will was challenged by the guy's relatives. In a way that they never would challenge the right of a heterosexual married couple to leave their estates to each other. People who go through stuff like that, probably don't join in with the chortling wind-up.

Im guessing, but maybe Chicago is such a sophisticated place that stuff like that doesn't happen and the kind of things you are saying here are so beyond the pale that nobody would say them in public.

You wouldn't hear them in respectable middle class bars in England, but you might hear a few hairy arsed members of the lower orders come out with that and worse. Particularly when drunk.

You're a hard man to figure out Martin Gibson.