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Thread #87316   Message #1632483
Posted By: GUEST,AR282
21-Dec-05 - 06:41 PM
Thread Name: BS: Domestic Spying in the U.S.
Subject: RE: BS: Domestic Spying in the U.S.
>>Monitoring of electronic communication is available to governments and businesses with the ability and will to gather it. And they all do it.<<

First Q, you need to present evidence when you say "they all do it." Secondly, whether they all do it or not is beside the point of whether it is legal. You can do it all you want until you get caught and then you'd better hope the law is on your side because "everybody does it" won't considered a valid defense.

>>Recording of telephonic conversation was common long before Bush. A court order is needed in the U. S. to use the information.
We use programs like Spybot to keep commercial tracking down to a reasonable level. I can obtain credit information on individuals easily by subscribing to a service (search?). Spying is easy. Don't put unshreaded personal information in your garbage if you have secrets to protect (seizure?). Many people are looking over your shoulder.<<

Those many people are crooks and conmen. I expect that from them. I shouldn't have to expect from the govt that is supposed to protect me from them. I don't what the reason is.

>>'Listening in,' however accomplished, may be search, but the effect of the Fourth Amendment is to prevent the USE of unauthorized information in the courts.<<

Just do like Bush does with everything he disagrees with and just do it anyway. Courts? Ignore them. Hold your own trial or dispense with them altogether. Fourth Amendment? Ignore it. Just throw them in jail and no matter what the courts decide, don't let them out. That is the reality of Bush's "legal" system.