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Thread #87530   Message #1635603
Posted By: Little Hawk
27-Dec-05 - 05:09 PM
Thread Name: BS: Where Have All The Messages Gone?
Subject: RE: BS: Where Have All The Messages Gone?
Mo - Okay. Here are my thoughts on that.

No, it's more like "I don't mind what you believe, as long as it doesn't impell you to try to hurt or control me or someone else..."

Believe as you will, and harm no one. That's a good credo.

I don't believe non-Christians are bound for hell. I don't wish to convert anyone except myself, but I enjoy sharing ideas and talking about spiritual matters.

The statement "No man cometh to the Father but by me" means this (in my opinion):

The indwelling Spirit of God in every living being can be termed "the Son" (or "the Daughter") of God. It's like the Divine Spark of higher consciousness. No one can come to the Father (the entire Divine) except through that Son (which already exists implicitly in everyone). When a prophet speaks, using his human voice (which he must), and that voice says ""No man cometh to the Father but by me
" it is that same spark of Divinity in the prophet that sleeps latent in YOU which IS speaking, and it's telling the truth. You cannot come to the whole Divine except by the individualized Divine that lives within you (the Christ within). It's the same in everyone, but it can only speak through a man's vocal chords and say "No man cometh to the Father but by me". You don't need the specific man Jesus...or the man Mohammed...or the man Buddha...to do that...although they could probably help you, having realized it themselves. You need to contact what sleeps within you and awaken it. How is that done? By surrender, complete love, complete forgiveness, complete lack of egocentricity.

The statement was true. People's interpretation of it (that you can only reach God through the specific man/God Jesus and through no one else) was a completely faulty understanding of what the statement meant....or even of who was speaking. Something eternal was speaking...and it has spoken through many prophets and teachers, and will continue to do so.

The Christian religion, which was busy building an exclusive power structure in this World, would not want you to know that, would they? They need your exclusive adherence to them only, your denial of all other spiritual paths, and your denial of the Christ within anyone BUT Jesus. The Christ lives within all, and is not exclusively tied to Jesus. He had simply fully opened to the Christ himself, thus became it. (as can others) He could then speak with authority and do great works.

Jesus did not build those historical churches and their power structure, and I believe he would disown or at least severely rebuke them if he were here.   They turned him into an idol for their own purposes, and turned his teachings into a means of enslaving people. They betrayed everything he stood for.