Interesting thread, Jerry. Questioning party loyalty is a natural outgrowth of breaking any habit. Chicago and Illinois have been Democratic outposts for years. We have an old line Democratic mayor, Dem Governor and U.S. Senators. I have voted for all of them. Years ago, I used to help my Democratic precinct captain because it might mean by street would get snow plowed before others.

But as time has gone on, it's not the party, it's the people. I have voted Democrat and I have voted Republican and I will continue to do that as I see fit. It's really a game of "Measure the candidate's bullshit." Guess and win or guess and lose.

Pissing and moaning is just pissing and moaning. You have nailed it when it comes to all of it that goes on here. Venting on a web forum might relieve your tension about Bush, but if that is all you are doing about it, you are really wasting your own time more than any one else's. Until the time for an election, wouldn't it better to work towards cohesiveness than the ongoing diatribes of division?