There's a lot of good information in this thread from people who have serious opinions and, in fact, were there at the time and watched all of this go down. Unfortunately, it's people like Martin Gibson, with his pig-headed, narrow-minded inability to consider or even tolerated opinions other than his own, and who has to attack everyone who doesn't agree with him, who has turned this thread into trash, like he does on most threads he pollutes.

But the good information is still there, if you just ignore Martin Gibson.