Old Guy, it is just a little silly to impose on me your arbitrary demands to be the source of research on Echelon, Carnivore, or the 1958 budget for the Department of Agriculture budget, either. I am not your research hound. If you want to remind people what and when Carnivore and Echelon were, by all means, do so.

That something similar happened in the past does not make it right; our current wave of imperialism has not been reached before in scale, cost, or degree of arrogance IMHO.

Perhaps you are of the mind that we should follow the plan laid out in the American Century white paper to dominate the world through force?

These recent posts are much more succinct, relevant to this thread and interesting than your diatribes. Thanks, Woody, also. At least it provides some counterpoint without being all about messengers instead of messages.

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