The Mudcat Café TM
Thread #88402   Message #1657848
Posted By: GUEST,Art Thieme
30-Jan-06 - 12:51 PM
Thread Name: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
To be against certain intransigent policies of both the Israeli government and the suicide bombers of Hamas is not to be antisemitic or anti-Jewish. I agree with Amos here pretty much down the line---and with others here---and with you, Martin, when you understand your own fears may lead you to paranoia and possible miscalculations.
As I have said here, my mother was Jewish and that makes me Jewish to many Israelis and Jews, and gives me entrance to Israel as well. As an evolved atheist, now, I still consider myself Jewish -- mainly because Hitler would've burned me to a crisp because of who my mother was. Often we become, at least, some of what others see us as. In that way, Hitler defines me as Jewish. (My dad loved Scotch too much, but I don't consider myself liquor-ish (licorice) although I saw the fact of that craving in myself---and dropped the booze summarily.

We are complex---and I, for one, derived my positions after waiting and watching the world around me for many years before stating how I see things and feel about them in any thread here. Please, Martin, understand that these are nuanced positions for all of us. To advocate eventual peace -- with ALL the Palestinians' realities, and with Israeli realities as well, is what I, personally, hope can be achieved. This life is, as we've seen throughout everyone's history, a tragic adventure. Some few of us get to live in a time of more peace than not.

To digress a bit: Those of us who lived through the boredom of the Eisenhower years in the 1950s here in America, never saw that peace as a blessing--although it was that. It was viewed by the youth then as in need of energising and empowering to make right social and political and economic inequalities--and it was, to us in the Beat generation, a reason to get "On The Road" and search. That led to the '60s... (And some of us sang folksongs to minmally finance our ways 'on the road.'

(A joke from that peaceful era went: What do you do with an Eisenhower doll????" answer: "Wind it up---and it sits on it's ass for eight years!" ;-) It was peaceful though--thanks to the many thousands dead and wounded in WW2.)

I know this post is a hodge podge of stuff---but it's all provoked by previous posts to this thread.)

Art Thieme