I don't see a lot of difference between Roger and Martin Gibson when he is acting up. Their styles are completely different, but the intent is always to promote their agenda for their own ends. That isn't necessarily a bad thing in many cases, but in these instances it is always to assert that they have the answer and no one else does. When the great majority of folks express anger and frustration at having to hear the same circular arguments expressed a hundred different ways over 7 years, then Rog starts a thread about why we should be civil.

Bert, I have great respect for you and consider you a friend. But it seems to me that you are mixing two arguments up. When Roger first raised the PEL argument, I was among the first to send an email and express my disappointment. That has nothing to do with this thread. Anyone who doesn't see the motive is either ignorant of Roger's tactics, or disengenuous.

Mick