This whole debate is starting to really pee me off, I have now berated Martin to publish official guide lines he has recieve, the vagueness is a deliberate attempt shackle raves and noisy spontaneous out burst of fun, the catch all tempered by ignoring quieter events such as sessions in pubs, in a highly organised and policed society as ours it isn't good enough, the real test will come when a "rave" organiser is prosecuted and a cute lawyer makes a council fall on it's own sword by holding up informal sessions, "flaunting" the act, as a precedent. Ain't no lawyer, and I know some of you are and will be quick to point out the short comings of the argument, that's good because we need as much ammunition as possible!