Well Goik, I didn't say it was impossible, I said I don't think we'll ever know.

Let's not ask for apologies for what has happened in the past. Let us move forward.

Personally, I am always prepared to stand up and be publicly identified for whatever I say and do.

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Shambles, Yes Max has said in the past that there are no rules, but that was a while ago and rules sometimes arise simply from usage. We also set our own rules about our usage of Mudcat.

For example I rarely read threads that are more than about twenty lines long unless it's a song. Therefore I try to keep my own postings short.

This one is going to be longer because I'm answering several people.

So give this a try, forget the past, yes, some stuff was done that I don't agree with. But let's forget it and start anew.

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GUEST, thanks.

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Spaw,

I love all of your posts, even when you're taking the piss out of me you are funny and I can take it. I'm sure Shambles feels the same and will go along with it.

Bert.