Yes, Shambles, we all do know you. Probably better than some folks who have met you. You have given us 7+ years of exposure to you and your real thoughts. Kendall is right on the mark. You have taken low self esteem to a new level.

Bert, I love ya, but give it up. Shambles will never let up. In fact, IMO, it bothers him that you would try to end this. If you end it, he won't be able to claim "high road victim" status. He will go on and on incessantly. Once, the forum displayed some decent discipline and ignored him for the most part for several weeks. He lived with it, but after a few days he started tossing out the bait again. You could almost feel the desperation. Eventually someone took the bait and it started all over again. I have even fallen back into the trap.

Bert, you know most of the clones. Do you think they have a hidden agenda? You were part of the founding of this place. It's beauty lay in the community of it all. In those days there were folks from various places around the globe that had "the button". They were anonymous, but several had ID'ed themselves to me. Do you think they hurt the Mudcat? You know, better than most, that they make mistakes, usually because they get frustrated. But Max/Jeff/Joe usually fix those. Do you doubt their integrity? I will tell you this from experience. When one of us steps over the line, we usually hear about it. And our error is fixed.

Bottom line is that the place is what it is. And Shambles is what he is. I used to suggest he go somewhere he could be happy. I have come to realize that he is very happy, and really doesn't want any of his demands met. If they were, he wouldn't be able to feel like the martyr. In his head, he believes that the great majority of Mudcatters accept his views and he is a heroic figure. The reality, IMO, is just the opposite. And that is sad.

Trouble is, it has caused some great folks to leave the place and has given us a reputation.

Mick