Wolfgang...I think you understand my point well enough and all your wriggling and personal attacks bear no weight with me.

If the Christian lobby in America really believed in the principles of Christianity this war would be over in a few weeks and our troops back home.
Martin Luther King and others harnessed the power of the churches in the fight for Civil Rights; and latterly the involvement of committed Christians helped to create the political climate which hastened the end of the Vietman war.
When the Iraq veterans marched into New Orleans, where were the crowds to welcome them, where are the marches and mass protests by committed Christians of today?

Yes indeed as Mr Blair Says ....The world has changed... the Christian Churches are part of the new establishment...They have seated themselves with the "money changers".

I have always tried to be respectful to you in our discussions, although I often disagree with your point of view.
Please dont lower yourself to personal insults, when you know nothing of what I have done or said personally regarding the civilian victims in war that many here profoundly disagree with...Ake