Ron,

I saw a pretty good thread ruined by moving it to BS and turned into another bicker fest with Martin Gibson. It seems to me that it was moved because Martin Gibson asked it to be moved. It wasn't particularly political or divisive until Martin said a bunch of idiotic things to provoke people. Lord knows he provoked me. I was pissed, that he was back and a little scared because he wasn't being reigned in. It was stupid of me to answer his stupid provocation about " very ungreatful(sic) American" But I have good reason be angry with Martin Gibson, and I have good not to trust him or his motives. If you don't know those reasons perhaps someone can fill you in, but a lot of folks were pretty disgusted and told me I should fight him (on this forum). I did for a while, but the moderators stepped in and controlled him. I was grateful. Then he left, said he wouldn't be back. Now he's back. Now he's back, acting cranky and picking fights. I thought that he was to be kept on a tight leash. But he's getting his bickering in and his snide remarks, and the scatted "fuck off" And now he is using Personal Message to hurl his abuse and apparently, I'm not supposed to say anything because "Private Messages" are "supposed to be private". I'm pretty disappointed with the moderators right now. I'm pretty disappointed with the Mudcat "Community" that seems to be telling me that I have to silently take abuse in "Private Messages". I hope I am wrong. I hope that Martin the monster isn't lurking and ready to pounce on their weakness. I will tell you. While he is lurking, I won't be starting any more threads for him to turn into bickerfests.

Ron Olesko I have no patience with Martin and I've been known to be short with those who defend him. If you are not defending him. If you are innocent of the history, I owe you an apology. I'm sorry.

On the subject of tactics however, a slight point of order.

If you want to communicate with someone, if you want them to be receptive, you don't start the conversation by saying what they said is stupid. I think you know that and I think you knew that before you wrote what you did. You drew a line in the sand for me and shame on me , I step across. Shame on me. Shame on us both.