Righteee-o there Bunnahabhain. But I didn't come into the thread to argue that reliance upon fossil fuels isn't as fucked up as reliance upon nuclear fuel.

The point is, relying upon both of those primitive technologies has gotten us into the fine mess the earth and it's citizens is in.

Neither fossil fuels or nukes are viable alternatives for future energy generation because of their scale and costs. That is what makes them UNsustainable.

But I expect much human suffering will take place before most folks get on board with the fact that we are on the brink of extinction ourselves because of our addiction to current large scale, centralized energy generation.

Another thing most folks never look at is why do we NEED to generate such huge amounts of energy?

The main reason is poor energy design of buildings and structures. I mean, it takes a bit of energy to live in an urban world of glass, concrete and steel, eh? A bit more say, than millions of nice super-insulated, energy efficient, small and human scale inter-dependent hamlets, eh?