*daylia*...you quote me as saying that I am NOT concerned with others' motivation, and immediately reply:

"Bill, you spend most of your time here faultfinding and blasting other people's beliefs where they differ from your own"

This simply ignores what I said. I do **NOT** blast other people's 'beliefs'..I object to claims that "beliefs" are MORE than beliefs. If that is 'faultfinding', then I am guilty. You went on to say...explicitly STATE..."it does" about the remark that "the positions of astronomical bodies at my birth has some real, genuine, demonstratable relationship to my personality and character, "

That seems pretty clear. You are stating that Astrology is more then 'belief', but is objectively true and verifiable for anyone if they look carefully. I am saying that I do not accept that, and that your defense of that claim is based on bad reasoning. Th 'fault' is in the defense, not in the belief. (I doubt the belief, I do not "blast" the belief. I doubt most religious claims; I still understand why they are held, just as I understand why people like and 'believe' in Astrology)

Finally, if there was ever an example of 'blasting' someone and making unnecessary and unprovable remarks, this is one: "You know nothing of [psychology, Jung, his research or writings, his work with astrology, astrology in general, or even about your own inner self Bill - therefore, your opinions on these subject are worth about the same as my cat's."

If your cat wants to post, I'll discuss it with him...but you & I can't seem to agree even on what constitutes a fair debate....I guess we both tried as best we knew how.