My statement about a cloud formation being mysterious was allegorical, guys. If you look at a cloud in a literal-minded fashion only, then you will probably see nothing mysterious about it at all. You'll only see "chaotic thermodynamic systems which can be understood in terms of heat transfer and water/ vapour phase change..." etc, blah, blah, blah.... (sigh) Well, that could bore the paint right off the wall, couldn't it? ;-)

Andres, what could possibly suggest to you that I think that a cloud formation can "describe or manifest anything about your personality because it resembles the image of a God or Goddess and appears over your head"...????? What? LOL!

Looks to me like you and Paul are doing the usual thing done in these debates which is to ascribe some totally ridiculour assertion to your worthy opponent (which he would never have thought of himself) thus proving his entire argument is fallacious...

When I say that clouds are mysterious, I mean the same thing as when I say that the colors of the dawn are beautiful or that the wind sounds lonely or that a snowflake is "perfect". And what I am talking about can neither be confirmed nor denied by any form of empirical measurement or observation, it can only be felt with the heart's perception. And that's mysterious...if you notice it at all. If you don't, then it doesn't matter to you, does it?

We made the bicycle, you see, so we understand it very well. We can control it. We did not make the clouds, the wind, the dawn or the ocean. If we have wisdom, even if we do not, we may feel a sense of awe when we observe them, because there is something in them that is simply beyond our knowing.

That's what the spiritual search is about, and that's why it cannot be dealt with effectively in a laboratory.